In the ensuing conversation, Wallace gave his Trump moment as an example of reporting without concern for partisan “sides”:
MELBER: You have interviewed seven presidents. There’s no automatic Sunday show dispensation. You have to earn every one of those interviews through your work, efforts, reputation.
And so, I want to look at one that I think you remember was made a splash at the time. Bill Clinton, who served as president, going back and forth at — with you about national security and bin Laden, important heavy stuff.
For those who don’t remember, let’s take a look at that.
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WALLACE: Didn’t you do more to put bin Laden and al Qaeda out of business when you were president?
BILL CLINTON, FORMER U.S. PRESIDENT: I’m being asked this on the Fox network. You did Fox’s bidding on the show. You did your nice little conservative hit job on me.
WALLACE: Whoa —
(CROSSTALK)
CLINTON: What I want to know is —
(CROSSTALK)
CLINTON: Wait —
WALLACE: Wait a minute, sir. I’m asking you a question. You don’t that’s a legitimate question?
CLINTON: No, it was a perfectly legitimate question, but I want to know how many people in the Bush administration you asked this question of?
WALLACE: Have you ever watched “Fox News Sunday”, sir?
CLINTON: I don’t believe you ask them that.
WALLACE: We asked plenty of questions.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MELBER: Educate us about how you approached that, how it feels in the moment. He was alleging that you were somehow biased and that you were raising things in a political manner or feeding the audience so it would repeat back a political view of things. You had it back and forth, but since I have you here, first time ever interviewing you, and you’ve done that with more than one president. Tell us about it.
WALLACE: Well, it was a pretty memorable interview. If you go on YouTube, last time I checked which was a number of years ago, there were 10 million views.
You know, to put it in context, there had just been a docu-drama on ABC called “The Path to 9/11”, and they had been very critical of — of Bill Clinton and, in fact, there’ also been a Pulitzer Prize-winning book by Lawrence Wright called the path — “The Looming Tower” that were critical of Clinton and said that he hadn’t done enough to put bin Laden and al-Qaeda out of business when he was president.
So I simply asked him a question. You know, that’s what we do for a living.
I later asked Terry McAuliffe, I said, have you ever seen him sort of fly off like that? And he said, have I ever seen him fly off? That’s — we call that the purple rage in the White House.
And —
(CROSSTALK)
MELBER: Did you feel anything in the moment? Did you — did you feel something that then you had to screen to be professional or you’ve done this so much, it was just one more day?
WALLACE: Well, no. I mean, it wasn’t just another interview when you’re getting called out — even though he was the former not the current president of the United States. But look, I — you could put up clips of me with Donald Trump in 2020 —
MELBER: Sure.
WALLACE: — when I talked to him about the cognitive test, and I said, you know, you talk about the fact that you aced it, I mean, it wasn’t so hard, Mr. President, they have a picture of an animal and you have to identify it as an elephant.
I mean, that’s what we do for a living and you know, we’re there to seek the truth, to seek heat, not — I mean, rather light not heat.
MELBER: Yeah.
WALLACE: And, you know, not to make friends and not to take — and, Ari, not to take sides. To be equally tough, whether it’s conservative Republican or a liberal Democrat.
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