FBI director reveals new details about Trump shooting at House hearing
By Melissa QuinnCaitlin Yilek,
2024-07-24Washington — FBI Director Christopher Wray testified before House lawmakers Wednesday about the investigation into the assassination attempt against former President Donald Trump , and he revealed new details about the gunman's actions in the lead-up to the July 13 shooting in Pennsylvania.
Wray told members of the House Judiciary Committee that the gunman, 20-year-old Thomas Crooks, flew a drone near the site of the rally roughly two hours before he opened fire . Wray said investigators recovered the drone in Crooks' vehicle, and the bureau believes he was watching video streamed from the device to scout the area.
The FBI chief also said agents recovered a total of three "relatively crude" explosive devices: two from Crooks' vehicle and one from his residence. Crooks had a transmitter that would have allowed him to detonate the devices in his car remotely, but the receivers on the bombs were turned off, Wray said.
Eight cartridges from spent bullets were found on the roof where Crooks opened fire, Wray confirmed. The gunman killed one attendee and wounded Trump and two others.
Investigators have managed to gain access to Crooks' phone, which Wray said was a "significant technical challenge." He said agents discovered Crooks was using encrypted messaging apps to communicate.
The FBI, which is investigating the shooting as a potential act of domestic terrorism, does not yet have "a clear picture" of the gunman's motive, Wray said. But investigators did find that Crooks seemed to become "very focused on" Trump and the rally on July 6. An examination of his laptop revealed that he searched "how far away was Oswald from Kennedy?" on that day, when he also registered to attend the rally.
Here's how the hearing unfolded:
Committee hearing kicks off with Jordan and Nadler remembering Sheila Jackson Lee
The Judiciary Committee's oversight hearing convened just after 10 a.m. with an opening statement from Jordan.
The Ohio Republican opened the hearing paying homage to Democratic Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas, who died Friday .
"She was just a pleasant spirit who we all enjoyed," Jordan said.
Rep. Jerry Nadler, the top Democrat on the committee, also offered remarks remembering Lee.
"We're better for having known her and the American people are better for having her in their corner for all these years," he said.
Jordan wants transparency from Wray on questions about assassination attempt
In his opening statement, Jordan raised questions about the assassination attempt against Trump, including about Secret Service resources for the former president; what took place from the time Crooks, the shooter, was identified on the roof and when Trump was rushed off the stage; and why the former president was allowed to take the stage at the rally when Crooks had already been deemed suspicious by law enforcement.
"We need to know what happened play by play, moment by moment, second by second, the communications that took place during that critical five minutes," Jordan said.
He urged Wray to be transparent with the committee and the country.
"A significant portion of the country has a healthy skepticism" about the FBI's ability to conduct an open and transparent investigation, Jordan said, criticizing the Justice Department under President Biden.
Nadler "unequivocally" condemns shooting but rips Republicans for heated rhetoric
Nadler, the Judiciary Committee's top Democrat, delivered his own opening statement by noting that while he disagrees with Trump on nearly every issue, he denounces the shooting at his rally in Pennsylvania.
"I unequivocally and unabashedly condemn with every fiber of my being the attempt against his life," he said. "This was not just an attack on a man, but an attack on our democracy. Political violence erodes the very foundations of our nation."
The New York Democrat listed off recent violence targeting political leaders and said the attempted assassination of Trump should not be a surprise. He went on to accuse Republicans of continuing to use heated rhetoric, even in the wake of the shooting, and criticized his GOP colleagues for remaining silent about those comments.
Nadler apologized to Wray and said instead of supporting the FBI in its work, some Republicans have targeted the bureau and its agents and called for it to be defunded.
"It is despicable, especially from the party that claims to back the blue," he said.
Wray calls attempted assassination "an attack on our democracy"
Wray was sworn in and delivered his opening statement, which began with condolences for Lee and the victims of the shooting in Butler, including Corey Comperatore, who was killed at the rally, and Trump, who was injured when a bullet grazed his ear.
"The attempted assassination of the former president was an attack on our democracy and our democratic process and we will not and do not tolerate political violence of any kind, especially a despicable account of this magnitude," Wray said.
The FBI director said that agents are working "tirelessly" to learn what happened at the rally and said the bureau is using all resources, criminal and national security, to do so.
"We're going to leave no stone unturned," he said. "The shooter may be deceased but the FBI's investigation is very much ongoing."
The FBI's investigation into the shooting is ongoing and its assessment of the shooter and his actions continue to evolve, Wray said, but he told lawmakers that he hopes to provide them "with all the information I can, given where we are at this point."
Wray's promise for transparency comes in the wake of former Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle's own appearance before the House Oversight and Accountability Committee on Monday, during which she repeatedly refused to answer questions and cited the FBI's investigation as the reason for her inability to provide lawmakers with information. She resigned Wednesday after lawmakers of both parties expressed frustration with her testimony.
Wray says FBI recovered 8 cartridges from roof at Trump rally
Rep. Dan Bishop, a North Carolina Republican, went first with questions and asked whether Crooks fired eight bullets before he was killed by a Secret Service sniper. Wray confirmed that there were eight cartridges on the roof and later confirmed that Crooks had a drone.
The FBI is still digging into how he was able to fire so many shots, Wray said. When asked why Trump was allowed on stage, Wray reiterated that the FBI's investigation is focused on the shooter and "all things related to his attack."
"Obviously I understand very much the intense interest and focus on the Secret Service's performance, actions, decision-making, etc.," Wray said, but he added that the FBI is looking into the shooter's motives, preparations before the shooting and whether there were any accomplices or co-conspirators.
The FBI director said the bureau has not found any accomplices "at this time," but noted the investigation is ongoing.
Wray reveals new details about shooter's drone, explosives and phone
Wray provided details to lawmakers about the drone recovered from Crooks' vehicle, as well as explosive devices found in his vehicle and residence and the shooter's use of encrypted messaging apps on his phone.
On the drone, Wray said the device and a controller were recovered from Crooks' car and are being analyzed by the FBI. He said that the shooter was flying the drone around the area — not over the stage, but roughly 200 yards away — around 3:50 p.m. or 4 p.m. local time on the day of the shooting.
"We think — but we do not know, so this is one of those things that is qualified because of our ongoing review — that he was live-streaming, viewing the footage" for roughly 11 minutes, Wray said.
The FBI director said the bureau recovered a total of three explosive devices, two from Crooks' vehicle and one from his residence. He called the devices "relatively crude" explosives. He said the explosives had receivers that could have allowed them to be detonated remotely. Crooks himself had a transmitter, Wray noted.
"At a moment, it looks like because of the on/off position on the receivers, that if he had tried to detonate those devices from the roof, it would not have worked, but that doesn't mean the explosives weren't dangerous," Wray said.
The FBI director said the FBI was able to get into Crooks' phone, which he said was a "significant technical challenge," and found Crooks was using encrypted messaging applications.
"On this subject, I would say this has unfortunately now become commonplace and it's a challenge" for the FBI and state and local law enforcement, he said.
Wray said the FBI is interviewing law enforcement from the scene of the attack.
Wray says any efforts to cut FBI's funding are "incredibly short-sighted"
Wray pushed back on some Republicans' threats to defund the FBI, calling cuts to its funding "incredibly short-sighted."
He warned that a decrease in the bureau's funding would harm local law enforcement.
Wray says FBI still doesn't have a "clear picture" of Crooks' motive
The committee returned from a break just before 11:30 a.m., and California Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a Democrat, kicked off questioning. She apologized to Wray for vitriol directed at him as a result of conspiracy theories and other claims spread about him online.
Asked by Lofgren about what the FBI found on Crooks' phone, Wray indicated that the bureau is involved in a "legal process" to gain access to other accounts associated with the shooter. The FBI is also still looking at other digital devices.
"We do not yet have a clear picture of his motive," he said.
Wray said that often during an investigation, the FBI will see social media accounts, messages, or a manifesto that may shed light on a motive, but agents haven't seen that yet with Crooks.
"We're not seeing that, but we're digging in hard because this is one of the central questions for us," he said.
Wray said Crooks appears to have done searches of public figures "in general," but through news articles. The photos of public officials that were found on his phone were associated with those articles, he said.
Wray says agents found 14 guns in shooter's home
Under questioning from Lofgren, Wray said investigators "located a number of firearms associated with the shooter and his family — I think it was a total of 14 in the house.
"The weapon that he used for the attempted assassination was an AR-style rifle that was purchased legally, that he — it's my understanding — acquired, I think bought, actually from his father, who was the one who originally bought it," Wray said. "Again, legally."
Crooks lived with his parents in nearby Bethel Park, Pennsylvania, and his family has cooperated with the investigation.
Wray says gunman wasn't on FBI's radar before assassination attempt
Wray told Rep. Matt Gaetz, a Florida Republican, that the FBI "did not have any information about the shooter" and "he was not in our holdings before the shooting."
The FBI chief said the bureau ran a search for Crooks through its databases, and he was not found.
Gaetz then pivoted to questions about President Biden's health and whether Wray noticed a cognitive decline during briefings with him.
"All my interactions with the current president have been completely professional," Wray said.
He said his briefings with Mr. Biden have been "uneventful and unremarkable."
Gaetz continued to press Wray on his experience working with Mr. Biden, and the FBI chief said they're interactions have been "completely fine."
"There hasn't been anything of note in the area you're talking about," Wray said.
Wray confirms shooter bought a ladder, but it wasn't found at the rally site
In an exchange with Rep. Steve Cohen, a Tennessee Democrat, Wray confirmed that Crooks bought a ladder before the shooting, which he said was about 5 feet tall.
"But importantly, we did not find the ladder at the scene so it's not clear that he used the ladder to get on top of the roof," he said.
The FBI is still looking into how Crooks got access to the roof, Wray continued.
Wray reveals shooter's rifle had collapsible stock
Wray reiterated that the gunman fired at least eight shots from the rooftop and later revealed to lawmakers that Crooks' AR-style rifle had a collapsible stock.
The FBI chief said that feature "could explain why it might've been less easy for people to observe."
The first people at the rally who saw Crooks with the gun observed him when he was already on the roof he fired from, Wray said, and the FBI hasn't yet found any witnesses who saw him walking around with the gun.
Wray said the collapsible stock is "potentially a very significant feature that might be relevant to that."
Wray says FBI reverse-engineered flight path of shooter's drone
Returning to the drone, Wray said investigators were able to reverse-engineer its flight path in the roughly 11 minutes it was in the air two hours before the rally.
"It would have shown the shooter, we think — again, we're still doing more work on this, I really want to qualify what I'm saying, but I'm trying to be transparent and lenient here. We think it would have shown him, kind of, what would have been behind him when he was shooting," Wray said.
"In other words, almost like giving him a rear-view mirror of the scene behind him. Except again, he wasn't flying it overhead while he was later back for the assassination.
"We're still trying to figure out exactly what he saw, because we're having to, in effect — because there's no recording of what he saw during those 11 minutes, our hypothesis at this point, our experts think he would have been live-streaming it," Wray continued. "And so we're trying to in effect say, OK, if this is the flight pattern, given these capabilities of the drone, what would you have seen, what could you have seen in these 11 minutes?"
Wray reveals shooter searched "how far away was Oswald from Kennedy?" on July 6
Wray told lawmakers that the FBI conducted an analysis of a laptop tied to the shooter and found that on July 6, one week before the Butler rally, he conducted a Google search for "how far away was Oswald from Kennedy," a reference to Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated President John F. Kennedy in 1963.
"That's a search that obviously is significant in terms of his state of mind," he said.
That same day he registered for Trump's rally in Butler, Wray said.
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FBI chief says gunman became "very focused" on Trump and the Butler rally around July 6
The FBI director provided more details about the devices and accounts the bureau gained access to and said the "usual repositories of information have not yet yielded anything notable in terms of motive or ideology."
Still, Wray said Crooks was interested in public figures "more broadly," and starting around July 6, he became "very focused on" Trump and the Butler rally.
Asked more about the photos of public officials, Wray said images recovered from the shooter's devices are cached images from searches of news articles.
"As far as the pictures that are like that, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of rhyme or reason to it so far, other than these are all prominent public people. But they cover both parties, they cover both U.S. people and even some foreign public officials," he said.
He said that one source of information "doesn't appear to be overly indicative of motive" and clarified that this doesn't appear to be a target list of sorts, but rather cached images from searches of news stories.
"There's no pattern from that particular piece of information that is overly remarkable so far," Wray said.
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